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have just entered room "Sweethearts Chatroom." MamaLion27
has entered the room. talemaker2
: well, early birds get the best seats in the house to see Jen/NEl talemaker2 : :-) Beth Kenobi : :-) MamaLion27
: Hi, everyone talemaker2
: Jessi will be doing the honors of hosting the Discussion tonight talemaker2
: and Dorothy will be given us another one of her wonderful presentations MamaLion27
: I recognize the name! talemaker2
: Well, i am sure you will recognize the style of writing too Beth Kenobi : :-) talemaker2
: I was talking earlier with some of the fans about trying to see if we
could get our Transcription log out on more sites talemaker2
: to enable a larger audience to hear and read about Jeanette and Nelson Beth
Kenobi
: I'm putting it on my site as soon as I can update it talemaker2
: if you have any ideas along these lines we sure would appreciate them MamaLion27
: I will talk to Glenny about making some sort of link for the baritone
page. talemaker2
: well, from now on, a copy of the entire log plus the Movie Stats and
some trivia questions will be email to each member MamaLion27
: Good idea! talemaker2
: Also if i might add before we start talemaker2
: if you know of anyone who would like to join us talemaker2
: send them an AIM invite talemaker2
: also send us a copy of their email and we will add it to the Sweetheart
Fan list talemaker2
: if you go to People on AIM talemaker2
: Eleanor talemaker2
: it says Sign on a Friend talemaker2
: enter their email address and a brief message from you if you like talemaker2
: and send it talemaker2
: I wish i was 1/10th as dumb as you talemaker2
: i be brilliant talemaker2 : :-) talemaker2
: what you have forgot i will never learn talemaker2
: AIM is this talemaker2
: what we are on now talemaker2 : :-) talemaker2
: lol talemaker2
: ah... talemaker2
: well, I will send you an AIM invite talemaker2
: and you will see what it is talemaker2
: AIM is AOL's free Instant Messenger talemaker2
: that half the world uses to speak to each other talemaker2
: and you don't have to be on AOL to chat Beth
Kenobi
: brb talemaker2
: Jessi is on another server now talemaker2
: well, Aol Instant message is one thing talemaker2
: and AIM is another talemaker2
: i'll show you talemaker2
: you now have two instant messages sent you talemaker2
: one is strictly an aol inhouse instant messenger talemaker2
: and the other AIM is a worldwide Instant Messenger talemaker2
: as for sending an invite for you talemaker2
: yes, i will be more than happy to do it MamaLion27
: Sending on AOL last week instead of AIM caused all my problems. Well,
not all. My computer did the rest. talemaker2
: just try to alert your friends one will be coming from the Sweetheart
chatroom Beth
Kenobi
: back Beth
Kenobi
: I'm bringing in someone. talemaker2
: okay CraziLadii has entered the room. talemaker2
: Well, Jessi talemaker2
: time is getting near Beth Kenobi : :-) talemaker2
: And Jessi will be acting as room host talemaker2
: and i will be co-piloting her talemaker2
: we where just mentioning about bring people to the chatroom talemaker2
: if you know of anyone who would like to join or receive a copy of our
Transcript, just let me know and i will get it to them talemaker2
: Bogart talemaker2
: 1957 talemaker2
: right talemaker2
: no..that was the left hand of GOd talemaker2
: oh, well talemaker2
: Jessi talemaker2
: any thing you like to add talemaker2
: before we start MamaLion27
: I am just praying! Beth
Kenobi
: umm.....Could you send me the questions I have to put into the chat
room? MamaLion27
: For my computer! DIXC
has entered the room. talemaker2
: Welcome Sweetheart Fans to tonights topic I Married an Angel, Jessi will
be acting as your host, and I will co-host talemaker2
: Jessi, the room is your's dear talemaker2
: ... Beth
Kenobi
: Tonight we have a Presentation by Dorothy on I Married an Angel MamaLion27
: The stage play of “I Married An Angel” was originally purchased by
L.B.Mayer who later intended it as vehicle for Vera Zorina, who has done
the play on Broadway. MamaLion27
: But when Zorina was scooped up by Paramount right out from under
L.B.’s nose, the project was shelved. MamaLion27
: Then, after ”New Moon” was finished, Mayer took another look at it
and decided , withsome changes, it would do very well for his singing
superstars. MamaLion27
: The initial filming began in May, 1940 and Jeanette and Nelson were
recording their musicwhen the project was scrapped because of script
problems. MamaLion27
: Both Jeanette and Nelson objected vehemently to the entire storyline
when it was presented to them but Mayer was adamant. After two directors
came and went, Woody Van Dyke agreed to take the helm. MamaLion27
: Two versions of the movie were filmed, one version for USA distribution
and one for the UK( where an already watered down version was further
diluted to Britain’s tastes). Alicefaye3 has entered the room. MamaLion27
: Sorry, clogged again Alicefaye3
has left the room. Alicefaye3
has entered the room. MamaLion27
: The changes made in the original play are too numerous to mention except
that suddenly a mistress became a secretary, a sister became a mistress
(non-definitive) and the whole angel MamaLion27
: premise became a dream sequence! Religious groups, knowing the original
storyline, began to bombard the studio with complaints. All in all, it led
to friction on the set, constant MamaLion27
: changes in the crew and , it seems, only L.B.Mayer was having any fun! MamaLion27
: Our sweethearts and their team again gave their very best but, with a
threadbare,lukewarm script, it just wasn’t enough. This time the
audience wasn’t appeased and, for only the second time, a Sweethearts’
movie lost money. MamaLion27
: The critics were cruel. One of the better reviews came from Photoplay
who called the movie” Two artists in search of a good story”. MamaLion27
: It would be the last Sweethearts movie and the end of an era. We can
look back now and think of what could have been...as long as we stop and
remember what was and still is thanks to modern technology. MamaLion27
: That's it. folks! Beth
Kenobi
: Any Comments? talemaker2
: ? MamaLion27
: Rodgers and hart originally wanted Jeanette and Chevalier. MamaLion27
: How do we feel about Nelson being a "rake" in this one? talemaker2
: well, dorothy, we have some interesting ideas for you MamaLion27
: Do you feel Nelson was stereotyped? talemaker2
: As Eleanor said, this was more a musical attempt to crossover onto the
silverscreen...so i think it might be not so much as a rake as a playful
Nelson talemaker2
: right talemaker2
: and only an angel could change his character MamaLion27
: But Nelson was an actor as well as a baritone. He was playing a part. talemaker2
: It seems like the problem with this movie was Nelson MamaLion27
: And it was risky as an actor to be confined only to saintly roles. talemaker2
: if Nelson was not in it would we be having this same conversation Beth
Kenobi
: I think they were both unhappy with the parts, and it showed in thier
acting talemaker2
: okay...how was jeanette the problem... MamaLion27
: Let's discuss the script..that's where I see the problem. talemaker2
: dying to hear talemaker2
: Dorothy...then about the script talemaker2
: how doesn't it work Beth
Kenobi
: It did not have a flowing to it MamaLion27
: It was another patched, diluted screenplay that gave nothing for the
actors to sink their teeth into.. talemaker2
: could we say...it was just plain silly and they just pasted and glued it
together Beth
Kenobi
: I think they should have given more depth to the characters. MamaLion27
: Hoorah! Beth
Kenobi
: I think it is just me liking to know that characters. Beth
Kenobi
: *the talemaker2
: is this the swan song for our Sweetheart? talemaker2
: is there no other vehicle for them? talemaker2
: sweethearts MamaLion27
: It appeared to be just that,,as far as films with the two together Beth
Kenobi
: It would have depended on wiether the audience was ready to have matured
characters. MamaLion27
: There wasscripts out there if the studio had the vision to use the
sweethearts in them. talemaker2
: how would this had worked if this was there first film? Beth
Kenobi
: L.B. May have been more careful with it talemaker2
: so, then it is not the stars...but the movie that is bad Beth
Kenobi
: I would agree with that talemaker2
: could any other actors played these parts and make it work? MamaLion27
: Yes. I don't fault the stars. They did what they could. talemaker2
: How about Cary Grant and Irene Dunne? Could they have made it work? Beth
Kenobi
: Maybe Clark Gable could pull off the male lead but I doubt it very much
because the screen play for the movie was poorly done. The screenplay for
the play was much better MamaLion27
: Yes, she shot scenes with and without wings. talemaker2
: then lets take our chatroom POLL talemaker2
: ready talemaker2
: of the 8 movies talemaker2
: where is this talemaker2
: lol Beth
Kenobi
: 8 MamaLion27
: 8! talemaker2
: dick talemaker2
: :-) talemaker2
: just a name talemaker2
: i saw a seven talemaker2
: thank you talemaker2
: sad question to ask MamaLion27
: In this case, the picture died MamaLion27
: When Nelson sings, anything is worthwhile! talemaker2
: did either of the stars look aged in this movie? talemaker2
: it seemed like a lot of filters were used MamaLion27
: She slid down the bannister. talemaker2
: and if i am not mistaken, did Nelson get thinner in this movie as it
went along? MamaLion27
: I think he did. Must have been the anguish over the script! Beth
Kenobi
: It is time for the questions sent into the Question Box. After the
current question is done being commented on I will start. talemaker2
: okay...hostess Beth
Kenobi
: The first Question of the Night comes from Eleanor who comments that
"Ah, Angel. So much "chop and change" resulting in a mess.
Some of the M/E films benefited from massive polishing and reshooting.
IMAA did not." Beth
Kenobi
: IF I Married an Angel had been a success, do you think the
MacDonald/Eddy partnership would have continued? MamaLion27
: No. The musicals were being phased out. talemaker2
: I think they had to move on to a new venue Beth
Kenobi
: In a follow up question, also asked by Eleanor....Or had it run its
course? Would each star have chosen to pursue a solo career? MamaLion27
: They were still looking for a co-starring film but never found one that
suited. talemaker2
: I think Nelson saw the writing on the wall and moved on Beth
Kenobi
: How would WWII and changing public tastes have affected future team
vehicles? What type of musicals could or should they have considered?
(Eleanor) MamaLion27
: reality films were surfacing at that time..rebel heroes and war movies. talemaker2
: but this means we still seem them in comedy MamaLion27
: But J and N could have been great in comedies! talemaker2
: why not some Nick and Nora Thin Man spoofs talemaker2
: two bumbling opera singers who always manage to stumble upon a crime Beth
Kenobi
: I could not see him in South Pacific. MamaLion27
: That sounds good. talemaker2
: Even the Great Ezio did not play South Pacific talemaker2
: on the screen after 5 years doing it on the stage Beth
Kenobi
: He would been wrongly placed if he was to play Lt. Cable talemaker2
: but the screen wants young faces... Beth
Kenobi
: Another Question....1) What was changed in the film? 2) Why did it not
go over well with the fans? talemaker2
: i think they had nothing and try to make something... MamaLion27
: !. The Angel became adream. 2. People didn't want angels in bed with
men! talemaker2
: they had two great names and tried to squeeze another buck or two out of
them talemaker2
: yes..sadly talemaker2
: El talemaker2
: a whole new team had come in talemaker2
: K. Grayson talemaker2
: was now singng musical talemaker2
: and was young talemaker2
: Howard Keel was coming on board talemaker2
: who need Jeanette and Nelson Beth Kenobi : :-( talemaker2
: but not hollywood.... talemaker2
: :-( talemaker2
: right Beth
Kenobi
: I did too talemaker2
: and Doris Day with Gordon Beth
Kenobi
: Shirly was good as well MamaLion27
: But someone wanted Nelson. He packed the clubs! talemaker2
: there were a lot of musical there MamaLion27
: Bravo! talemaker2
: So then, this was their finaly movie screen curtain call talemaker2
: ? talemaker2
: well, please, someone make me feel good Beth
Kenobi
: How about some trivia talemaker2
: tell me something wonderful about our sweethearts talemaker2
: yes... talemaker2
: I am going to france tomorrow talemaker2 : :-) MamaLion27
: Yes, they have. talemaker2
: Go on jessi talemaker2
: next question Beth
Kenobi
: 1) When is Willie's birthday? talemaker2
: ummm...... talemaker2
: they mentioned it in the movie Beth
Kenobi
: Friday, May 2 talemaker2
: that's it Beth
Kenobi
: How old was he going to be? talemaker2
: a day after May Day MamaLion27
: 35 Beth
Kenobi
: Yep, 35 Beth
Kenobi
: 3) What is the address on the invitation his birthday is held at? talemaker2
: next one jessi, you are on a roll Beth
Kenobi
: :-)] talemaker2
: :-) MamaLion27
: No clue! talemaker2
: it was on the invitation talemaker2
: but where? talemaker2 : :-) Beth
Kenobi
: the answer is...... MamaLion27
: I remember the party but not the invitation! Beth
Kenobi
: Bellevue utca, Budapest! talemaker2
: yes, remember on the invitation, at the very bottom Beth
Kenobi
: and the final trivia submitted Beth
Kenobi
: Where was Willie and his angel married (the town) MamaLion27
: Paris talemaker2
: Paree Beth
Kenobi
: The Answer is Paris Beth Kenobi : :-) talemaker2
: well, now that we pretty much covered this topic talemaker2
: next week talemaker2
: what would you like talemaker2
: a chat about Nelson talemaker2
: or a Chat about Jeanette MamaLion27
: Balalaika talemaker2
: one or the other Beth
Kenobi
: How about Nelson and Jeanette on the web? We could all bring our
favorite sites into the chat and talk about it. talemaker2
: enter J talemaker2
: or N MamaLion27
: Thanks, cuz MamaLion27
: N Beth
Kenobi
: N talemaker2
: that's 3 MamaLion27
: Yes, change off talemaker2
: we are alternating from now on talemaker2
: one week Nel talemaker2
: the other Jen talemaker2
: then the 3rd week both of them together MamaLion27
: Good! talemaker2
: then Nelson is set for next week Beth Kenobi : :-) talemaker2
: now listen fans...I need a lot of questions Beth
Kenobi
: Just tell us what movie talemaker2
: any phase talemaker2
: this is an all nelson night talemaker2
: but remember............... talemaker2
: the Feed the Question Box talemaker2
: i would like at least 5 questions from each of you MamaLion27
: Not bird seed talemaker2
: someone take his early days talemaker2
: try both talemaker2
: discussion for the first 30 minutes Beth
Kenobi
: I will find questions on all his movies talemaker2
: as usual talemaker2
: and then trivia Alicefaye3 has left the room. talemaker2
: i will be sending you all a copy of the this log talemaker2
: and hope you can publish it on your sites talemaker2
: thank you Beth
Kenobi
: I have a copy if you need to check Gio talemaker2
: thank you jessi talemaker2
: give jessi a hand talemaker2
: :-))) Beth Kenobi : Thanks:-) talemaker2
: :-))) CraziLadii
has left the room. DIXC
has left the room. Dugan EK has left the room. talemaker2
: then as of now, we will close our Sweetheart Chatroom talemaker2
: good night and luck in your dreams MamaLion27
: Bye all Beth
Kenobi
: 3 minutes early! MamaLion27
: Luck in yours Beth
Kenobi
: Bye MamaLion27 has left the room.
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