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| You have just entered room "sweethearts." Dugan EK has entered the room. JHami828 has entered the room. JeanetteFan1 has entered the room. JeanetteFan1: hi everyone SokorraK: hi everyone MamaLion27 has entered the room. JHami828: So happy to be able to chat this week! graylady90 has entered the room. MamaLion27: I'm back! graylady90: hi everyone SokorraK: Oh, an update on the Chat Transcript site Dugan EK: JeanetteFan1 is waiting to be fetched. She just IMed me. MamaLion27: Hi, all Dugan EK: Oh -- there she is! Okay. JeanetteFan1: yep JeanetteFan1: thanks a bunch graylady90: hi deb JeanetteFan1: hi fran JeanetteFan1: welcome to the gtoup JeanetteFan1: hi joani JeanetteFan1: :-) JHami828: Hey!!!! graylady90: great to be here SokorraK: It is taking me longer then I thought to copy and paste the transcripts onto the formated pages so It will be awhile before it is online JeanetteFan1: wow look at all us JeanetteFan1: hi jessi JeanetteFan1: O:-) SokorraK: If anyone wants to see the background and they are on AIM I can show you. AOL doesn't allow me too MamaLion27: Good group! SokorraK: but I do have a url JeanetteFan1: yep JeanetteFan1: 6 of us SokorraK: http://sealedwithasong.tripod.com SokorraK: It's a broken linke SokorraK: *link JeanetteFan1: ah SokorraK: *waves to everyone* JeanetteFan1: :-) JeanetteFan1: what is the chat about today? SokorraK: I forgot Dick wasn't going to be here today SokorraK: It's on Jeanette's films again MamaLion27: Jeanette's next four movies! SokorraK: Let me get the list JeanetteFan1: great topic JeanetteFan1: O:-) MamaLion27: Beginning with One Hour With You SokorraK: Jeanette: One Hour With You (1932) Love Me Tonight (1932) Hollywood on Parade (1933) The Cat and the Fiddle (1934) JeanetteFan1: ah i love that one too SokorraK: and Oh, for a Man since we didn't get to do it last time graylady90: saw that movie 1 time a long time ago Dugan EK: I've just had a query that I can't answer (as usual!) Who currently owns the video distribution rights to early Paramount films including Jeanette's classics. They are NOT out on video, a great loss to film history. JeanetteFan1: that is the one where she siinhs wagner JeanetteFan1: hmmm JeanetteFan1: maybe any living family of jeanette;s MamaLion27: It is at Fox with Reginald Denny. JeanetteFan1: let her niece or nephew JeanetteFan1: like JeanetteFan1: oh for a man is intesting she plays an opera singer early on MamaLion27: I just hope they aren't in someone's attic! Dugan EK: Except in extraordinary cases, stars never controlled the rights to their films. (Pickford, Lloyd, Chaplin, etc. were some exceptions.) JHami828: I haven't seen any of this, but the library has The Cat and the Fiddle. I reserved it. MamaLion27: I will check and see if I have anything on that...after I finally get down with this next issue. graylady90: who does the restoration of old flims can't remember the org MamaLion27: AFI Dugan EK: Many archives -- UCLA and MOMA for example. Also Library of Congress. graylady90: that's right JHami828: Which of these movies are available in video? JeanetteFan1: you will like cat and the fiddle joani JeanetteFan1: that was out JHami828: Can't wait to see it! Dugan EK: None of Jeanette's Paramounts are out on commercial video. They were shown years ago on American Movie Classics. The Lubitsch films were put out on laser disk a few years back. Dugan EK: Cat & Fiddle is MGM and out on commercial video. Dugan EK: with the 3-strip Technicolor ending. JHami828: Interesting MamaLion27: All mine are taped from Turner. I don't have the commercial tapes for these. JeanetteFan1: i have some from turner and some i bought Dugan EK: Did Turner show Jeanette's Paramount films? I didn't know that! JHami828: Turner is still showing these? JeanetteFan1: and some from a very kind person here JeanetteFan1: O:-) JHami828: Too bad AMC isn't showing classics as much any more. JeanetteFan1: indeed MamaLion27: I will have to check my list. I just got home Friday night and i haven't done all my homework. MamaLion27: Sorry!:-\ JeanetteFan1: i was mad they cancelled my fav show JeanetteFan1: remember whenn Dugan EK: YES, AMC;'s new manager said she wanted to show "fresher" films -- which necessitated commercial interruptions -- lots of them. To me, it is now a non-station. JeanetteFan1: in the middle of a cliff hanger!! MamaLion27: I agree with EK! JeanetteFan1: yep JeanetteFan1: is jeanette;s one hour with you in french out? JeanetteFan1: i dont think it is JeanetteFan1: ebay has stuff at times MamaLion27: No, that was lost and they finally found a copy, didn't they? JeanetteFan1: hmmm SokorraK: Isn't Remember When on PBS? MamaLion27: No, AMC SokorraK: Or am I thinking of something different JeanetteFan1: not here in ny sadly Dugan EK: So far a copy of Une Heure Près de Toi has not been found. But we live in hope. When I searched in France in 1989-90 for La Veuve Joyeuse, everyone swore, "il n'exist pas!" JeanetteFan1: it might be in some parts of the country SokorraK: It's the brit comedy with Judy Drench JeanetteFan1: ah thats as times go by JeanetteFan1: i have that one SokorraK: ok SokorraK: wondered JeanetteFan1: a fav of mine JeanetteFan1: it ended sadly SokorraK: I'm waiting for the one Brit comedy that had Dom Monaghan to come back on because I want to see it JeanetteFan1: can one buy the french merry widow? MamaLion27: We have lost a great deal of classic film. SokorraK: I haven't seen it avaible JeanetteFan1: we are rerunning to the manor born Dugan EK: One can get a copy of the French Merry Widow from me -- I taped it from French TV and can transfer the SECAM format to our primitive NTSC. JeanetteFan1: :-D JeanetteFan1: ah thanks eleonor JeanetteFan1: you are a jewel JeanetteFan1: i will email you about it Dugan EK: There is a description of La Veuve Joyeuse on my website, comparing the two versions which were shot simultaenously. JeanetteFan1: yes i did read that JeanetteFan1: very interesting JeanetteFan1: love your website! JeanetteFan1: O:-) Dugan EK: Thanks -- JeanetteFan1: how did you get the french tv? JeanetteFan1: just wondering Dugan EK: As Jean Hagen says in Singin' in the Rain, "It's nice to know my hard work ain't bin in vain for nuthin." MamaLion27: Yes, and the critics lauded Lubitsch and Chevalier for that film while almost ignoring Jeanette's performance Dugan EK: We lived in France -- JeanetteFan1: ah JeanetteFan1: very lucky! JHami828: Oh, for a Man sounds interesting...with an opera loving burglar. I'm looking at Eleanor's website. :-) JeanetteFan1: they had a bio of gable on this week Dugan EK: Oh -- but the film was still lost then -- however, when it finally was found (in Belgium) and played on French TV, a friend taped it for me -- JeanetteFan1: and ignored jeanette again!!! JeanetteFan1: cool JeanetteFan1: how is the secam? JeanetteFan1: yes joani it is interesting i like the part in oh for a man with jeanette in italy reading the papers JeanetteFan1: lol Dugan EK: Sadly, I copied it this past week for someone, and my video is starting to fade. I can't understand why some fade within 5 years and others are still bright and crisp after 15 years. It doesn't seem to matter what brand of tape was JeanetteFan1: and her husband gets mad Dugan EK: used or where it was stored. JeanetteFan1: hmmm JeanetteFan1: is it the vcr? JeanetteFan1: or the tape itself MamaLion27: I noticed that, too, Eleanor. I can't wait to transfer my tapes to DVDs Dugan EK: No -- I have about 100 early UK films taped from Australian JeanetteFan1: wow! JeanetteFan1: they have great tv there Dugan EK: TV by the same VCR on the same brand of tape. Some have faded. Others have not. Some much older than others still look crisp. JeanetteFan1: some of my kiri videos come from australia JeanetteFan1: hmmmmm Dugan EK: NO COMMERICIALS on Australian TV during movies!! JeanetteFan1: thats interesting Dugan EK: Nor in France -- they feel it would be a terrible violation. JeanetteFan1: it is! MamaLion27: My kind of thinking! JeanetteFan1: they had life is beauitful JeanetteFan1: on bravo JeanetteFan1: with commercials!!! JeanetteFan1: grrrrrr Dugan EK: I have commercial videos I've bought here that have faded after 5 years -- not cheap ones! Yet someone gave me a 1980 video of an operetta that looked brand new. JeanetteFan1: then it must be the films itself JeanetteFan1: might not tranfer well MamaLion27: I transported large cartons of tapes from Florida in a hot truck and they were fine. Some I taped later here are fading! Dugan EK: So do those who have seen and adore the 4 films being discussed today want to say anything about them? JeanetteFan1: hmmmm JeanetteFan1: i heard jeanette did not like her fox films JeanetteFan1: i thought they where pretty good Dugan EK: On video fading -- when new, they all look dazzling. Some then fade, some don't. I don't know why. JeanetteFan1: i think the kern score lovely in the cat and the fiddle Dugan EK: Jeanette's songs were cut from Don't Bet on Women. Annabelle's Affairs got great reviews, some saying it was better than Monte Carlo. However, I believe today we are discussing Love Me Tonight and One Hour with You and Cat & Fiddle Dugan EK: also. MamaLion27: "One Hour.." had Music by Richard Whiting..one of my favorite composers. JeanetteFan1: indeed JeanetteFan1: its sort of interesting that love me tonight is also consiredone of the greatest musicals MamaLion27: Contemporary, that is. JeanetteFan1: for one hour with you there is a cd out that has 2 of the french songs MamaLion27: I didn't know that. I will have to get that one. JeanetteFan1: yep they have it at amazon.com Dugan EK: There was a 3-LP album put out years ago of Jeanette's early recordings -- it had a number of French recordings. JHami828: What is the setting (why does she sing) for "Isn't it Romantic" in Love Me Tonight? MamaLion27: Of course, Love Me Tonight is Rodgers and Hart..another class act! JeanetteFan1: thats it JeanetteFan1: they do it in hollywood on parade too Dugan EK: Oh, it's delicious! DO read the description in my book. The song is sung in sequence under different circumstances by a string of people ending with Jeanette on a balcony. JeanetteFan1: she looks like juliet! JeanetteFan1: very stunning JeanetteFan1: with the gypsy violins JeanetteFan1: etc JeanetteFan1: shades od the merry widow Dugan EK: In Hollywood on Parade, she sings "Love Me Tonight," not "Isn't It Romantic?" (French title is "N'est-ce-pas Poetique?") JHami828: Oh....I was just reading quickly through that part of the website, Eleanor. Thanks! JeanetteFan1: yep JeanetteFan1: they have it in the jeanette macdonald scapebook JeanetteFan1: movies unlimited sells it Dugan EK: Who has NOT seen Love Me Tonight? JHami828: Me Dugan EK: Movies Unlimited sells WHAT? JeanetteFan1: the jeanette macdonald scapebook graylady90: saw it a long time ago before vcr tapes JeanetteFan1: scrap JeanetteFan1: it is a vidoe with the murrow interivew as well JeanetteFan1: and has prima donna Dugan EK: Isn't the JM Scrapbook put out by Sharon Rich? What all is in it? I've not seen it. Dugan EK: Ah -- JeanetteFan1: i have it MamaLion27: I have scraps of that on a video someone sent me. JeanetteFan1: i got it from movies unlimited JeanetteFan1: a store in philly JeanetteFan1: wiith otns of sutff JeanetteFan1: tons JeanetteFan1: they have a website JeanetteFan1: what does everyone think of ramon is cat? Dugan EK: I've been fortunate to see all of Jeanette's Paramounts (including Vagabond King in the restored Technicolor print, but not Let's Go Native) in large theatres with an audience. It is a true theatrical experience. Movies were not int Dugan EK: intended to be seen like tiny postage stamps alone in a room. JeanetteFan1: soooo true graylady90: that's right MamaLion27: "love Me tonight" has some other interesting cast members. Recall "Gabby" Hayes? graylady90: saw a number of films on the big screen Dugan EK: B-I-G -- and surrounded by people laughing, sighing-- JeanetteFan1: yep JeanetteFan1: and myra loy JeanetteFan1: i spelled her name wrong lol MamaLion27: Charlie Ruggles and Charlie Butterworth are in that one, too. Dugan EK: Marion Peanuts Byron, a favorite of mine from silent comedies, has a tiny bit as the baker's wife. MamaLion27: And Joseph Cawthorn who was also in "Naughty Marietta". JeanetteFan1: who was he is naughy? JeanetteFan1: naughty? MamaLion27: Schumie! Dugan EK: Georges Davis is the chauffeur who drives Maurice down to the chateau -- he plays the Sterling Holloway part in the French Merry Widow and the usher in Maytime. JeanetteFan1: ah JeanetteFan1: i will look out for these folks MamaLion27: The old teacher to the princess. Dugan EK: Cawthorn is Jeanette's music teacher in the opening of Marietta. JeanetteFan1: oh yes JeanetteFan1: thanks JeanetteFan1: i remember now MamaLion27: And Frank Morgan is in the Cat & the Fiddle. He was the governor in "Naughty.." JeanetteFan1: he liked her in cat! Dugan EK: Yes -- in Cat he plays a serious romantic role. In Marietta just a year later he is doing a comedy character. MamaLion27: Cawthorn ia also in "Cat.." MamaLion27: Frank Morgan will be my spotlight character actor in the next issue and I will list all the films he did with our duo. JeanetteFan1: he was sure in a lot of films! Dugan EK: Would anyone like to describe their favorite moment in One Hour with You? Dugan EK: I like the necktie-tying scene in the garden. JeanetteFan1: the bit where they are changing the tage at the tables is cute Dugan EK: Yes! JeanetteFan1: and i likt the part when she says she is badder than him JeanetteFan1: at the end JeanetteFan1: and miztie cracks me up!! JeanetteFan1: :-D JeanetteFan1: some best friend JeanetteFan1: hehe JeanetteFan1: the parts in the park in the beginning are funny too MamaLion27: I often wonder how Damita played Mitzi in the French version. JeanetteFan1: and the police come! MamaLion27: She is so different from Tobin. Dugan EK: Yes. And Genevieve Tobin (as Mitzi) is a very talented actress. She should have done more in films, but was happily married I believe and didn't have the "fire in the belly." JeanetteFan1: thats interesting MamaLion27: Damita married Errol Flynn and the war was on! Dugan EK: Would anyone like to cite favorite scenes in Love Me Tonight? JeanetteFan1: maybe we can try and hunt down the french version JeanetteFan1: i love the bit at the hunt JeanetteFan1: with the dear JeanetteFan1: deer JHami828: I was just reading about the Hollywood Code. It came into being about the time Jeanette was making her movies with Nelson? JeanetteFan1: my typing! JeanetteFan1: and the lines are great in that film JHami828: So, her movies with Maurice were a bit more "risque"? JeanetteFan1: yep Dugan EK: A print might turn up in some archive behind the former iron curtain -- that has happened -- because films were retitled. They just found some early John Ford silent westerns there under weird titles. But possibly all the prints of Dugan EK: Heure were destroyed in World War II. JeanetteFan1: oh how sad MamaLion27: Yes. They were a lot more risque. Dugan EK: War is not good for people or films. Dugan EK: Or libraries or museums. We kill our heritage. JeanetteFan1: a very good point JHami828: So, would you have liked to have seen the J & N movies with or without the code? JeanetteFan1: thats an interesting question Dugan EK: There was never anything "naughty" by today's standards. Lubitsch was always very sophisticated. JeanetteFan1: i think jeanette was very funny both ways JHami828: I liked that Maurice was romantic in Merry Widow. JeanetteFan1: he was indeed my fav there was tonight will teach me to forget MamaLion27: They may have been able to widen the scope of some of them but look what has happened today withoutit. JeanetteFan1: thats true JHami828: I agree...I certainly would like more "code" in today's movies. Dugan EK: Civilization is always a balancing act between license and repression. MamaLion27: But somehow it is impossible to go back..! JHami828: True JeanetteFan1: i always wonder about us poor females JeanetteFan1: we always seem to get it JeanetteFan1: oh well JeanetteFan1: we endure Dugan EK: I would like not to see anyone smoking in films. My daughter would like not to see anyone eating meat. My son would like not to see any woman wearing clothes. We all have our own prejudices that we try to force on others. MamaLion27: Where has all the romance gone? JeanetteFan1: i dont like the smoking tooo JeanetteFan1: i think jeanette's films are filled with romance Dugan EK: Oh, there is lots of romance -- they now call them chick's flicks. Sleepless in Seattle, etc. JeanetteFan1: down with love MamaLion27: I think the movies she did, they did and he did are very romantic! JeanetteFan1: of course that goes for nelson too JeanetteFan1: O:-) JHami828: I just saw Down with Love. Doris Day wouldn't have talked the way Renee Z. did in that movie. JeanetteFan1: and filled woth great music MamaLion27: Yes, Sleepless was a throwback to the good old days! JeanetteFan1: really? JeanetteFan1: i have not seen down with love yet JHami828: I guess so... I wish Nelson had been allowed to be even more romantic...like Maurice was...but I don't think I would've liked his films as much if he had been like Maurice. JeanetteFan1: jeanette worked well with different types of fellows Dugan EK: Each decade finds the same things in new settings. Happily, now we can enjoy the films of the past 110 years and choose those that speak to us. JHami828: I love older movies!! MamaLion27: Me. too! JeanetteFan1: me too!! JeanetteFan1: i just saw idiots delight JeanetteFan1: it was wonderful! JeanetteFan1: cable and shearer JHami828: Sounds good! JHami828: I just read a bit of review of it. JeanetteFan1: it was a great films had burgess meredith in it too JeanetteFan1: where shearer and jeanette friends? JeanetteFan1: i read that somewhere JeanetteFan1: i think Dugan EK: Well, it is after 6 PM (or 7 PM or 8 PM or 9 PM--) JeanetteFan1: oh dear eleonor is right JHami828: Oh...thank you all for the chat! JeanetteFan1: it was great chatting JHami828 has left the room. JeanetteFan1: anyone can email me anytime MamaLion27: Yes, it is and i am finally back on EDT. But Seattle was great fun. Dugan EK: Next week, Nelson's earliest films -- yes? JeanetteFan1: welcome back dorothy JeanetteFan1: dear nelson JeanetteFan1: O:-) graylady90: sorry i didn't know alot about the film you were talking MamaLion27: Thanks. Yes, I think we start Nelson next. graylady90: but sure learned alot MamaLion27: That is what these chats are all about! JeanetteFan1: its great to have you her fran JeanetteFan1: here SokorraK: no, actually, it's Jeanette's Birthday JeanetteFan1: O:-) JeanetteFan1: ah SokorraK: We talk about Jeanette JeanetteFan1: june 18th JeanetteFan1: her 100th Dugan EK: Oh, if you weren't familiar with the rare Jeanette's, wait until we get to the even rarer early Nelson's. But after that, Naughty Marietta ! MamaLion27: Oh, okay Can we have champagne? SokorraK: I thought her birthday was the 3rd JeanetteFan1: O:-) graylady90: i'm so happy to be here graylady90: it's june 18th Dugan EK: Glad you are! JeanetteFan1: jeanette and paul mccartney have the same birthday JeanetteFan1: different years of course Dugan EK: Ah, a great star to be born under! MamaLion27: Jessi must remember that! JeanetteFan1: yep SokorraK: I remembered Pauls, not Jeanette JeanetteFan1: i like the beatles too JeanetteFan1: john is my month SokorraK: I always thought that her birthday was the 3rd JeanetteFan1: oct SokorraK: *does rearranging graylady90: early beatles Dugan EK: Well, must let my daughter get on line -- we share the same AOL account. Have a nice holiday weekend. MamaLion27: Well, i gotta go and work on that next issue. I am late. Bye for now. JeanetteFan1: me too fran! SokorraK: Oh, we are cvoming up on the aniversery of the chat graylady90: all of you too Dugan EK has left the room. JeanetteFan1: bye everyone JeanetteFan1: have a great week MamaLion27 has left the room. JeanetteFan1: :-) JeanetteFan1: thanks for the invite jessi JeanetteFan1: see you wed fran graylady90: bye everyone JeanetteFan1: :-) graylady90: ok deb JeanetteFan1 has left the room. graylady90 has left the room.
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