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MamaLion27
: Hi, Ginny!
GarlandGrl
: :-D
MamaLion27
: I see my long lost granddaughter is here, too.
GarlandGrl
: How are all of you tonight?
Beth Kenobi
: I'm good
MamaLion27
: Great! The Steelers won!
GarlandGrl
: Yay!
GarlandGrl
: Kayla wanted to be here, but she just got sent on an errand, she said
she'll probably be back soon.
GarlandGrl
: What shall we start with? Tonight's topic is remakes of Nelson and
Jeanette films...
GarlandGrl
: Rose Marie? Get that out of the way first, because it's painful for me.
GarlandGrl
: :-D
Dugan EK
: Guys, I am EAGEr to participate but on phone with client.
Beth Kenobi
: I just asked Debbie on
Kirifan2 has entered the room.
GarlandGrl
: Yay! :-D Hi Debbie!
Kirifan2
: ho everyone
Kirifan2
: hi
Kirifan2
: hope all are well
MamaLion27
: The "Rose Marie" that Jeanette and Nelson made was a departure
from the original operetta.
Kirifan2
: ah the remakes
Kirifan2
: :-)
MamaLion27
: So comparisons are difficult to make.
Kirifan2
: there are a ton of merry widows too
Kirifan2
: julie andrewa recorded rose marie i think
Kirifan2
: i mean andrews my typing!
GarlandGrl
: What about the casting? Do you think Howard Keel was as memorable as a
mountie as Nelson?
Kirifan2
: no one is better than nelson in my view
Kirifan2
: but i am biased
Kirifan2
: 8-)
MamaLion27
: Never! But the strory in that movie was more on the order of the
original.
GarlandGrl
: Being that it's a comparision with Howard Keel and I'm biased with
Nelson... I should not comment on that one :-D
MamaLion27
: My typing needs work and these sticky keys are no help.
GarlandGrl
: I've seen bits of pieces of the Howard version and Nelson and Jeanette's
is more light hearted...
Kirifan2
: yes jeanette is sooo charming
Kirifan2
: O:-)
MamaLion27
: Yes, there are more comedic scenes in the J&N film.
GarlandGrl
: Yeah! :-) I love her Sophie Tucker... hee hee
Kirifan2
: a classic
Kirifan2
: :-D
Kirifan2
: and her juliet with jones in the start of the film
GarlandGrl
: And the tune Rose Marie.... ::Sigh::
GarlandGrl
: Yeah
Kirifan2
: yes nelson has such wonderful control
MamaLion27
: However, at the time I was totally charmed by Fernando Lamas. Keel
wasn't the reason I went to see the film.
Kirifan2
: ah yes i do like lamas has well
GarlandGrl
: I saw as much of the film as I could, to see if it had any of the charm
of the Nelson and Jeanette version and the original plot kind of scared me
too much to contine...
GarlandGrl
: *continue, too
MamaLion27
: I couldn't believe Lamas was left to hold up the whole Merry Widow film
with talentless Lana Turner.
Kirifan2
: good point
GarlandGrl
: Yeah, exactly my sentiments...
MamaLion27
: If it hadn't been for Una Merkel to help him, the film would have done
worse than it did.
Kirifan2
: she was in the orinigal too
MamaLion27
: But then I thought Jeanette did more for her Widow than Chevalier!
GarlandGrl
: Maurice has his charms though, I like Maurice.... but Jeanette carries
her role so well.
Kirifan2
: thats sooo true
GarlandGrl
: Una is one of my favorites
MamaLion27
: But none of the duos in any of the remakes were as charismatic as J
& N! They never made more than one or two films together.
Dugan EK
: I'm back -- so by "remakes" do we mean that someone else makes
the same version? I guess I thought we were talking about sequels -- what
happened next.
GarlandGrl
: Nope... like The Merry Widow with Lana...
GarlandGrl
: ;-)
Dugan EK
: Like Gwen and Ernest in Hollywood -- Dick and Marietta in the wild west.
Dugan EK
: When I told my visiting daughter that Lana Turner filmed the Merry Widow
without singing, she fell over laughing.
Dugan EK
: May I interrupt for a brief announcement -- I HAVE a copy of
"Handlebars," the 10 minute 1933 Pete Smith short, and Nelson IS
in it. He sings "Bicycle Built for Two" for 32 seconds!
MamaLion27
: Putting a non-singer in a singing role and then dubbing her voice is
really fraudulent.
GarlandGrl
: YAY!!!!
GarlandGrl
: :-D
Dugan EK
: Was Lana dubbed. I thought they just gave all the songs to Ricardo
Montalban.
MamaLion27
: Oh, where can we get it? That is a coup!
MamaLion27
: Fernando Lamas, Eleanor!
Dugan EK
: Thanks, yes, Fernando Lamas. I will make copies for anyone who wants
"Handlebars." I'll compose and send out an announcement. I'm
afraid I'll have to ask for a few dollars to cover blank tape and postage
and envelopes, etc. Unfortu
Dugan EK
: Unfortunately, I am stoney broke at the moment.
MamaLion27
: Gladly. Just let us know what it costs.
Dugan EK
: It is truly a novelty -- only for collectors who want absolutely
everything that Nelson did.
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MamaLion27
: Like me!
GarlandGrl
: :-D
Dorisday931
: Hey!
Dugan EK
: Does everyone have the Romeo and Juliet trailer in which Nelson says
that Shakespeare is like music?
GarlandGrl
: Miss Doris is my cousin, who wanted to drop in to watch :-)
GarlandGrl
: :-D
GarlandGrl
: I don't happen to have that... the trailer for the Norma Shearer
version?!
Dugan EK
: Yes.
Dugan EK
: Another Nelson novelty.
Dugan EK
: Gable also plugs the film.
GarlandGrl
: Awww
GarlandGrl
: How about The Vagabond King? Has anyone seen the Kathryn Grayson
version? Kayla needs to come back... all I know about it is that it's
horrible.
GarlandGrl
: Because even Kayla refuses to watch it again...
MamaLion27
: I haven't seen either versions. I have a few classics to tape yet!
Dugan EK
: Yes, it is pretty awful. Poor Oreste -- his speaking voice is dubbed.
Then poor Kathryn has dialogue that even Duse couldn't make convincing.
The set has a sidewalk running in front of Notre Dame and an 18th C.
carriage pulls up du
Dugan EK
: during the 11th century.
GarlandGrl
: Oh dear! Kathryn said she hated it, too. All her memories of that film
are horrible.
MamaLion27
: Goodness, who was in charge of seeing to historical correctness?
Dugan EK
: And, although Gothic gowns had high waists and modest bosoms, she has a
fitted corset and huge nose-cone bosoms, the fashion of the 1950s.
Dugan EK
: AND they cut Friml songs and add tedious, weak ones written by some
studio hack!!!
GarlandGrl
: That's what Miss Kayla said as well... goodness!
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MamaLion27
: In other words, it wasn't really Vagabond King but a shoddy imitaion.
GarlandGrl
: We're on The Vagabond King now, Kayla ;-) Go for it!
GarlandGrl
: LOL
KathrynGraysonFn
: Gah, Don't even mention that movie!
MamaLion27
: *imitation!
GarlandGrl
: I did. :-D
KathrynGraysonFn
: It's so... Guh! I'm going to puke if I ever have to watch it again!
MamaLion27
: That bad, huh?
Kirifan2
: hi kayla
KathrynGraysonFn
: I've never seen Jeanette's version, but IMO, the only redeeming factor
of the 1956 version is Kathryn, and there's just not enough of her in it!
KathrynGraysonFn
: They had to dub Oreste because he couldn't speak a word of English, he
didn't act well...
Dugan EK
: The 1930 version has the advantage of being very close to the stage
original. Dennis King gives a very powerful stage performance, captured on
film.
Kirifan2
: jeanette's is lovely
Dugan EK
: The Technicolor restoration is glorious. Jeanette is just peaches and
cream.
Kirifan2
: and her only a rose is a classic
KathrynGraysonFn
: Well, I heard a Lux radio version of VK, and if that's true to the
original, then the 1956 version is faaaar off
Dugan EK
: Yes, seeing it in color makes all the difference. I'd run barefoot over
broken Dr Pepper bottles to get a video of it.
KathrynGraysonFn
: awww
GarlandGrl
: Have we missed anything?
KathrynGraysonFn
: But yeah, the 1956 VK was a massive flop. Even Kathryn hates it.
KathrynGraysonFn
: Oh, what about Ms. Turner's Merry Widow?
KathrynGraysonFn
: That, once again in my opinion, was ridiculous to do.
Kirifan2
: lol:-D
GarlandGrl
: The concensus is that it was a flop.
GarlandGrl
: :-D
KathrynGraysonFn
: A non singer? What were thay thinking?!
KathrynGraysonFn
: *they
KathrynGraysonFn
: OK, I have no clue what's been covered thus far. I got sent on lackey
duty...
GarlandGrl
: LOL :-D
GarlandGrl
: We covered that, but it's all good...
MamaLion27
: Yep. It was a stupid thing to do when there were singers who could have
done the role so well.
KathrynGraysonFn
: Certainly
MamaLion27
: What about "Bittersweet"? That was done before the J&N
version with Anna Neagle.
GarlandGrl
: I never saw that...
KathrynGraysonFn
: Neither did I.
GarlandGrl
: ::Sigh:: How was it, Dorothy?
KathrynGraysonFn
: I still have yet to see Norma's Smilin Through, too.
Dugan EK
: Neagle version followed stage play more closely, but eliminated most of
Act 2 which took place after Karl's death. Neagle was bad. Gravet was
good. Ivy St. Hellier great.
Dorisday931 has left the room.
Dugan EK
: Ah, I assumed that Fredric March in Shearer Smilin' Through would be
good in role, but he was worse than Gene at having hysterics and gnawing
his knuckles.
MamaLion27
: I haven't seen it but I heard much of the plot was dumped for the
J&N version and so were most of the songs.
Dugan EK
: You're speaking now of Bitter Sweet, not Smilin' Through.
MamaLion27
: Yes.
MamaLion27
: I only saw the Jeanette version of "Smilin' Through" and went
because I loved Brian Aherne.
GarlandGrl
: That's because he's cool :-D
KathrynGraysonFn
: Awww
GarlandGrl
: How about teams that tried to recreate Nelson and Jeanette chemistry?
Trying to remake the formula...
MamaLion27
: It never happened!
GarlandGrl
: Hee hee.... tried...
GarlandGrl
: :-D
KathrynGraysonFn
: OK, Mario Lanza looked like he was going to eat Kathryn Grayson. There
totally wasn't that connection between those two.
GarlandGrl
: But I still like it!!
GarlandGrl
: :-D
KathrynGraysonFn
: that connection= Jeanette & Nelson's look
GarlandGrl
: It's not Nelson and Jeanette, no one could compare...... but I like
Mario and Kathryn.
GarlandGrl
: :-D
KathrynGraysonFn
: Oh, don't get me wrong, I love the movies, but in their duets, Mario
looks at Kathryn like he's going to bite her!
MamaLion27
: There was no other team that created that chemistry.
MamaLion27
: I keep playing movies from that era and beyond and to this day I can't
find any.
GarlandGrl
: Not the same kind of feeling..... not at all, I think other teams had
good chemistry though. That clicked... like Mr. Pidgeon and Miss Garson
and Kathryn/Cary - Kathryn/Spencer
KathrynGraysonFn
: Katherine
KathrynGraysonFn
: Or is it Katharine?
KathrynGraysonFn
: I unno
MamaLion27
: Kat and Spence had some of it, Bogey and Bacall, too.
GarlandGrl
: ROFL
GarlandGrl
: Too much Kathryn on the brain... Katharine...
KathrynGraysonFn
: Anyway, Other teams had their own chemistry, but none like N&J
GarlandGrl
: And Judy and Mickey in their own little way...
KathrynGraysonFn
: Like Myrna Loy and William Powell had probably the best non singing
chemistry of all time.
MamaLion27
: Yes, Judy and Mickey, too.
KathrynGraysonFn
: You watch their movies and know they're having one heck of a good time
GarlandGrl
: O:-):-D
Dugan EK
: I just read that Kay Francis and George Brent made 11 films together --
yet no one thinks of them as a team.
GarlandGrl
: I like George Brent, but whenever his name is mentioned, I recall Jane
Powell for some odd reason. Possibly because he played her Father in films
and asked her to marry him in real life?
KathrynGraysonFn
: Does anyone know what team made the most films together?
KathrynGraysonFn
: Well, other than serial characters and such
MamaLion27
: Well, that lets out Penny Singleton and Arthur Lake.
GarlandGrl
: :-)
KathrynGraysonFn
: Awww... I miss the Blondie movies on AMC!
MamaLion27
: i haven't counted but Francis and Brent, Loy and Powell have to be at
the top with Astaire and Rogers.
Kirifan2
: amc cancalled my fav show rememebr wenn
GarlandGrl
: I loved that too, Debbie...
KathrynGraysonFn
: I loved that show! I liked The Lot, too
Dugan EK
: Laurel & Hardy made over 100 films --
Kirifan2
: i have them on tape
KathrynGraysonFn
: Well, other than the times that they made fun of Judy's weight. If
there's one thing I HATE
KathrynGraysonFn
: Grrr...
Kirifan2
: rememeber wenn
Kirifan2
: yes
MamaLion27
: I guess I was just counting male/female teams!
KathrynGraysonFn
: Well, I'm being beckoned once again for lackey duty, see you all later!
MamaLion27
: Bye, Kayla
Beth Kenobi
: Btw....Should I do Transcript this time?
GarlandGrl
: You can ;-)
Dugan EK
: So what is the ANSWER? What male/female teammade the most films?
Dugan EK
: Lackeys open doors on carriages -- ???
KathrynGraysonFn
: I have no idea, I wanted to know if anyone else knew
MamaLion27
: Can we come back later with that or do you know the answer, Eleanor?
Dugan EK
: And the qualifier would be did they have to play "opposite"
each other or just appear in the same film?
KathrynGraysonFn
: I'd say opposite.
KathrynGraysonFn
: Anyway, bye bye all!
MamaLion27
: Opposite, of course, to compete!
GarlandGrl
: Bye!
KathrynGraysonFn has left the room.
Dugan EK
: Could you qualify the parents of Andy Hardy?
Dugan EK
: Popeye and Olive Oyl?
GarlandGrl
: LOL
MamaLion27
: Could we just say "romantic duos"?
GarlandGrl
: Sure :-D
GarlandGrl
: I'm up for that...
Dugan EK
: Well, I'm sure Judge and Mrs. Hardy felt romantic!
MamaLion27
: Or we may come up with some surprising answers!
GarlandGrl
: Did they ever have any peaceful moments with all those man to man chats?
:-D
Dugan EK
: Mrs. Hardy didn'
Dugan EK
: t have to sit in on them!
GarlandGrl
: That's true ;-)
MamaLion27
: So she was the lonely part of the duo!
Dugan EK
: Lewis Stone and --- what was actress's name. NOT Sarah Padden, she was
the aunt. Cecilia Parker was the sister.
MamaLion27
: Fay Holden?
Dugan EK
: Sounds good. I could go check IMDb, but it's 6 o'clock.
GarlandGrl
: Yup... ;-)
GarlandGrl
: Shall we discuss the next topic on the list?
MamaLion27
: What is it?
GarlandGrl
: I dunno.... :-D.
GarlandGrl
: I'm pretty sure I can't make it... so Jessi? Anyone? Can you take over?
Kirifan2
: i better go bye for now everyone
GarlandGrl
: Bye Debbie :-)
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MamaLion27
: Jessi? Or if not, I will try to be here..computer willing!
Dugan EK
: Good night all --
GarlandGrl
: Okie :-D Thanks Dorothy! Night!!
MamaLion27
: Bye EK
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MamaLion27
: Bye for me, too.
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GarlandGrl
: ;-)
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