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You have just entered room "Chat 745650322541115321." DIXC has entered the room. Dugan EK has entered the room. LadyJoots has entered the room. MamaLion27 has entered the room. LadyJoots: Hello :-) DIXC: Good to be here.:-) Olliem8124 has entered the room. MamaLion27: Hi, everyone KathrynGraysonFn has entered the room. Olliem8124: HI ALL:-) SokorraK: hi everyone SokorraK: Nelson: The Phantom of the Opera, Make Mine Music, Knickerbocker Holiday is the topic DIXC: Topic tonight is? DIXC: Got you. THANKS. SokorraK: :-) MamaLion27: Knickerbocker Holiday was the worst film Nelson ever made. DIXC: :-) Dugan EK: Isn't that sad!! Such high hopes! SokorraK: I never actually finished it MamaLion27: But we got to look at him and hear him sing so we can be thankful for something. DIXC: It was poor but I got to hear him sing again, though very little. Olliem8124: i did not like him in a black wig in p o the opera LadyJoots has left the room. Nelsonismyhero has entered the room. LadyJoots has entered the room. Nelsonismyhero: hi DIXC: His Martha singing was excellent at the beginning. LadyJoots: Thanks, Jessi CraziLadii has entered the room. MamaLion27: It was also unnecessary because two brunette men was one too many. Barrier was black-haired. Nelsonismyhero: i think they were trying to hide Nelson Nelsonismyhero: with the hair thing MamaLion27: He was too big and gorgeous to hide Olliem8124: why would they do that DIXC: S Foster was in GOOD voice:-) Nelsonismyhero: i don't know why they would do that Olliem8124: she is sweet looking Dugan EK: Tragedy #1 was that they cut most of the Kurt Weill music and replaced it with inferior stuff. Tragedy #2 is that they didn't dare make a politically controversial film -- and the original was highly critical of government and war. MamaLion27: Yes, the music in that film was excellent. KathrynGraysonFn: hmmm... maybe it's just a big plot. Nelsonismyhero: i didn't like S foster MamaLion27: Sorry, EK I guess we differ. CraziLadii: I heard they made his hair dark to look for French Olliem8124: why not CraziLadii: more not for! MamaLion27: He was French is his other films and blonde, too Nelsonismyhero: i hated his mustache CraziLadii: all too true, Dorothy Olliem8124: me too Nelsonismyhero: wasn't it cool how he made that bust for the movie? Nelsonismyhero: he was so talented Olliem8124: so he was MamaLion27: Yes, and so much was lost Nelsonismyhero: why? CraziLadii: my gosh, yes! Nelsonismyhero: I loved the whole russian opera though!:-D Nelsonismyhero: i love it when he sings in russian Nelsonismyhero: it's so pretty MamaLion27: I wonder what happened to all his art pieces. Olliem8124: i love opera music even if i dont understand it much Nelsonismyhero: some people still have some of his art Dugan EK: We seem to be at cross pruposes -- I'm talking about Knickerbocker, not Phantom -- ?? Nelsonismyhero: no me though Nelsonismyhero: oh Nelsonismyhero: what is the topic? MamaLion27: Nelson's voice transcends languages. Everyone can understand it on some level Olliem8124: i did not like they didnt have nelson sing september song Nelsonismyhero: yes! Dugan EK: Are we at cross purposes? I meant music cut from Knickerbocker, not Phantom -- ?? Nelsonismyhero: are we on phantom or knickerbocker? Nelsonismyhero: ?? DIXC: Both are coming up! Nelsonismyhero: ok MamaLion27: Music was cut from Knickerbocker and the story was also tampered with Nelsonismyhero: so iv'e heard Nelsonismyhero: what did they do? Olliem8124: i believe nelson did not like doing knickerbocker holiday Dugan EK: Ridiculing the government during wartime is not considered polite -- or safe. But to cut those gorgeous songs! Nelsonismyhero: that's what i heard Nelsonismyhero: but didn't he pay for some of it? MamaLion27: He hated it and he also lost money. Nelsonismyhero: that's too bad Nelsonismyhero: :-( KathrynGraysonFn: Did he help pay for any other movies? Nelsonismyhero: i just thought that he end was kinda unclear Nelsonismyhero: *the MamaLion27: No, I think he let the studios carry the expenses on his other films and I don't recall that he financed films he wasn't in. KathrynGraysonFn: I see. Olliem8124: i think it was a silly movie not too good but nelson was good to watch and hear Nelsonismyhero: mom says that she would appreciate it Nelsonismyhero: oops Nelsonismyhero: sorry Nelsonismyhero: having two conversations at once Nelsonismyhero: :-( MamaLion27: That can sometimes become hazardous! Nelsonismyhero: anyway Nelsonismyhero: lol MamaLion27: ;-) Nelsonismyhero: ;-) Olliem8124: he always is great to hear O:-) Nelsonismyhero: i don't have any recordings from ths movie Olliem8124: even to this day MamaLion27: What do you think of Charles Coburn singing? DIXC: Yes!:-) LadyJoots: .ROFL, Audrey ;-) Olliem8124: lousy Nelsonismyhero: LOL Olliem8124: speaking the words is not singing MamaLion27: He was never cut out to be a singer. But then again we find non-singers singing today. KathrynGraysonFn: Charles Coburn wasn't exactly heralded for his vocal prowess, you must remember. DIXC: He's no singer, for sure.=-O Dugan EK: The part was written for Walter Huston who couldn't sing a note. He talked his songs. Nelsonismyhero: i think we all agree he's not a singer, but he tried Olliem8124: you did back then too MamaLion27: Marlon Brando found out he wasn't half bad in Guys and Dolls Nelsonismyhero: how did they make his leg look like a peg? Nelsonismyhero: i was really convinced MamaLion27: Blue screen! Nelsonismyhero: really? Nelsonismyhero: how? Dugan EK: Probably very painful to have his leg strapped up behind him! But the large cloak and voluminous pants helped. Nelsonismyhero: oh yeah Dugan EK: No, no blue screens in those days!!!! MamaLion27: I think they had something like blue screen back then or skillful editing. Nelsonismyhero: the knickers Nelsonismyhero: would hid it Dugan EK: With film, any time the leg shows, they can use a different shot. On stage it was harder! Nelsonismyhero: *hide KathrynGraysonFn: The black and white filming process makes the attempt at blue screen pointless. MamaLion27: I guess that is right. Now I am feeling real pain in my leg thinking about it. Nelsonismyhero: did he make any recordings? Nelsonismyhero: for this movie? MamaLion27: No, but later he did record September Song. Nelsonismyhero: ah Nelsonismyhero: gotta get that Nelsonismyhero: how about that flamenco dancer? Nelsonismyhero: she was pretty cool Dugan EK: Carmen Amaya -- very famous Olliem8124: did you all like constance dowling and shelly winters in this movie Dugan EK: I thought Dowling was very bland -- and Shelley Winters makes my teeth hurt. Olliem8124: why MamaLion27: Dowling always left me cold and this was no different. But I like Shelley in this. Dugan EK: Why bland? Or why do I dislike Winters? On the latter, I've read her autobiography which made me cringe. MamaLion27: Her writing technique or her lifestyle? KathrynGraysonFn: It must be a Hollywood contest on who can make the most people violently ill with their autobiographies. Dugan EK: Her strange sense of her own importance. For example, calling a press conference to denounce the 16 year old girl her husband had seduced -- after which the child's mother died of a heart attack. Or rewriting all the lines in Oklaho Nelsonismyhero: i didn't like shelley after her books Nelsonismyhero: she's got a big ego Dugan EK: Oklahoma when she took over the Ado Annie part so that the rest of the cast had no idea what was going on. That is strictly forbidden and about as cruel and unfair to your fellow cast members as it is possible to get. MamaLion27: Most actresses do. Dugan EK: NO actress rewrites her lines so that others look stupid. She'd be shot! Dugan EK: The stage manager would fine her and put her on suspension. It violates union rules. MamaLion27: Yes, Shelley is flamboyant and a bit egotistical but she is a fine actress. However they usually prod the scriptwriter to rewrite lines. Dugan EK: But she thought she was being cute. KathrynGraysonFn: I can't remember who it was, but I read a story just the other day about how an actress made it so she got all of the good lines and entrances and exits, and they boycotted her two days before the performance Nelsonismyhero: i don't like her anymore Dugan EK: How do you prod Oscar Hammerstein II to rewrite a show that has been running for years? She kept giving people the wrong cues so they had to stand around looking like idiots. Nelsonismyhero: omg DIXC: We got to hear Nelson sing some opera in Make Mine Music which was the most popular of the ten separate stories. Dugan EK: Yes, definitely the best of the 10. Nelsonismyhero: i love make mine music Nelsonismyhero: but it's at the very end MamaLion27: I wasn't referring to that particular operetta. Who was in charge? Nelsonismyhero: best for last MamaLion27: Children love listening to Willy but get upset when he dies. Nelsonismyhero: i did DIXC: Disney was in charge LadyJoots: It wouldn't be an opera without death or tragedy, would it? I think that was part of the pun. Nelsonismyhero: yeah Nelsonismyhero: ;-) MamaLion27: Well, my grandson said why did they kill him. He sang so nice! DIXC: He did a whale of a job, doing all the voices. Olliem8124: yeah how they do that Olliem8124: i enjoyed it Nelsonismyhero: he recorded all the voices separtely Nelsonismyhero: then put it together? MamaLion27: Okay Dick I didn't miss that pun! Nelsonismyhero: is that how it worked? DIXC: Nelson was experimenting at home with many voices, mechanically. Nelsonismyhero: he was so good at that Olliem8124: maybe kathryn knows how they did it MamaLion27: He was ahead of his time with that KathrynGraysonFn: Huh? Olliem8124: maybe not KathrynGraysonFn: My guess would be that they did the seperate recordings and mixed it. DIXC: And Disney wanted him to try this for the screen. MamaLion27: Exactly. Dugan EK: They did separate recordings, of course, and had to adjust the speed of the various voices to get bass and soprano. Intriguingly, Harry Frommerman of the Comedian Harmonists was also doing the same home technique in Europe at the sa DIXC: It can be bought in DVD, this M. M. M. Dugan EK: same time -- did a recording of himself doing all the orchestral parts of Flight of the Bumblebee (he imitated instruments). DIXC: Ronnie Aldrich does TWO pianos sepeately for his quadraphonic sound on LONDOn records MamaLion27: I think we should press for DVDs of all the films. If we could get that we could have more pressure on the PO to get a stamp! Dugan EK: Multitrack is common now -- but then it was innovative. DIXC: Yes. Nelson was way ahead of times, with this. DIXC: Send them a recording of Nelson singing "Stamp, Stamp ..." MamaLion27: Dick, you are doing it again! Olliem8124: how did you like shortenin bread -------did you all write letters for a stamp i di Olliem8124: did DIXC: :-( Olliem8124: :-P MamaLion27: I am as soon as I get this work off my desk. I have it next in line. DIXC: :-X Olliem8124: think ill write another letter DIXC: Have to leave early tonight. See you all next week. Thanks. BYE:-) DIXC has left the room. MamaLion27: Bye Dick Olliem8124: bye dixc MamaLion27: Any other topic someone wants to discuss? Nelsonismyhero: hmmm Nelsonismyhero: lets talk about Nelsonismyhero: do any of you like Northwest Outpost? Olliem8124: yes Olliem8124: the music anyway MamaLion27: I did but I may have been in the minority. KathrynGraysonFn: Ilona... ah, funny little Ilona. Nelsonismyhero: it's not that i don't like it MamaLion27: Frank Laric spoke on that at the dedication. LadyJoots: I don't like it. I think that's Nelson's worst film. :-D Thank you. Thank you very much. KathrynGraysonFn: :D Nelsonismyhero: i just don't like it as much as the others Nelsonismyhero: it's my least favorite Nelsonismyhero: but i did like to see how well he rode a horse Dugan EK: Good plot, weak tunes in my opinion -- but that's why they make chocolate and vanilla. MamaLion27: And Frank said he really did ride in those scenes. Nelsonismyhero: i just thought that he seemed ver confident in this movie Nelsonismyhero: unlike he did in some of his others Nelsonismyhero: he seemed comfortable Nelsonismyhero: :-) Olliem8124: maybe beecause it was the last one he made snad wanted it to be as good Nelsonismyhero: but why did they pick illona massy? MamaLion27: Yes. I think he felt more in control for some reason. KathrynGraysonFn: yes, why did they pick Ilona? Nelsonismyhero: i don't like her MamaLion27: Ilona worked at Republic then. Nelsonismyhero: it was such a small studio though right? MamaLion27: And Nelson worked with her before. Dugan EK: She worked at Republic. It COULD have been Vera Hruba Ralston!! John Wayne got stuck with her once as his leading lady. Nelsonismyhero: i've only seen like two republic pictures Nelsonismyhero: i really don't like her voice KathrynGraysonFn: Ah, reigning empress of republic, Eleanor! MamaLion27: Please! Not Vera! MamaLion27: It also could have been Dale Evans or someone. Republic was the warehouse of B westerns. Nelsonismyhero: lol Nelsonismyhero: i like dale evans MamaLion27: Not with Nelson! Nelsonismyhero: but she's not for nelson Olliem8124: only jeanette MamaLion27: Jeanette wasn't interested.. KathrynGraysonFn: I thught Nelson did very well with Rise Stevens. Olliem8124: i know KathrynGraysonFn: thought, even Nelsonismyhero: i really like rise stevens LadyJoots: Me too Nelsonismyhero: she's a good one Nelsonismyhero: she's got so much more power in her voice than illona KathrynGraysonFn: Good kid, that Rise. Olliem8124: she was my fathers favorite singer Nelsonismyhero: why didn't nelson and jeanette ever get together on film again? MamaLion27: Yes, there is a difference between training and singing at the Met and singing in Budapest Nelsonismyhero: although Nelsonismyhero: i do think illona Nelsonismyhero: was pretty Nelsonismyhero: sometimes Nelsonismyhero: like when she was in that jane powell movie Nelsonismyhero: holiday in mexica Nelsonismyhero: mexico KathrynGraysonFn: Three Daring Daughters Olliem8124: i liked her in holiday in mexico w/ walter pidgeon MamaLion27: With Fernando Lamas! KathrynGraysonFn: Wait, unfinished thought! KathrynGraysonFn: Three Daring Daughters was optioned to nelson, wasn;t it? Nelsonismyhero: yeah but Nelsonismyhero: it didn't go through Nelsonismyhero: cuz Nelsonismyhero: i thought they offered him the part of Nelsonismyhero: charles morgan Nelsonismyhero: :-( Nelsonismyhero: that would have been bad MamaLion27: There were so many movies they could have done together..but... Dugan EK: That would have been a sort of in-joke! Nelsonismyhero: nelson could never be a family deserter Olliem8124: i think they wanted him to be an orchestra leader with a daughter who wanted to be an opera singer Nelsonismyhero: oh Nelsonismyhero: that could have worked Olliem8124: and meet jeanette with her three daughters MamaLion27: An actor can be anything! Nelsonismyhero: ooo Olliem8124: it would have been better the jose iturbi as her leading man Nelsonismyhero: nelson has never played a parent MamaLion27: It isn't a documentary. Nelsonismyhero: i like jose! Nelsonismyhero: he is so cute! Olliem8124: yeah as a maestro he is great KathrynGraysonFn: Jose Iturbi *is* an inside joke! How many different times did he play an integral role in a movie AS HIMSELF? Nelsonismyhero: every time! MamaLion27: Lets see..he played a traitor and a bandit and a thief CraziLadii: he played himself well! MamaLion27: Nelson that is Nelsonismyhero: yeah but KathrynGraysonFn: So he's marrying make believe characters, mentoring other make believe characters. Nelsonismyhero: he was a robin hood type Nelsonismyhero: nelson KathrynGraysonFn: By the time he was in That Midnight Kiss, I wanted him to introduce his soprano wife and stepdaughter to Prudence Budell! Olliem8124: se said he could be the pied piper Nelsonismyhero: who nelson? MamaLion27: Well, it is time to go. So long, everyone. Olliem8124: no jose LadyJoots: Bye Nelsonismyhero: oh Nelsonismyhero: bye bye Dugan EK: Bye -- Dugan EK has left the room. Olliem8124: bye bye KathrynGraysonFn has left the room. Olliem8124 has left the room. 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